Frim the casting of Superman: Legacy, it appears the first official movie in James Gunn and Peter Safran's new DCU will present a world that is already filled with superheroes. What does that mean for the JSA? Will they have existed in this timeline? Ideally I'd love to see a proper World War Two era JSA movie at some point. Throw in some kind of suspended animation at the end and you they can bring whatever JSA'ers they want into present day adventures as well.
This is only Part One of a Two-Part Epic, so make sure you come back here tomorrow for the thrilling conclusion!
Johnny without Thunderbolt? Lot a help he'll be. JSA ...ironic placed on Earth 2 to keep the sixties modern. If DC came after MARVEL, and the way Marvel did things, would DC have even bothered to create the multi-verse?
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I'm wondering if this is why Mr. Terrific and the Spirit are contending against a city of a thousand thugs (see STF #4107). Because the rest of the JSA were sent back in time, with Capt. Britain, not only to rescue Camelot. But, also, Dr. Strange (from STF #2896) and the 7SOV (from STF #1852)!
ReplyDeleteHow about Omar "Mantis of Apokolips" Bashir vs. Adam "Blue Marvel" Brashear?
ReplyDeleteOn the above note; how about revealing Omar Bashir to be an ancestor of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's Dr. Julian Bashir?
ReplyDeleteMr. Mello? You're a genius! :-)
ReplyDeleteOK, first of all; "Mr. Mello" was my father; just "Jared" is fine! Secondly; thanks for loving that idea enough to call me a genius; but let's face it, there aren't a lot of Bashirs out there, which is how I came up with it. Having my idea thought so highly of REALLY makes me feel great, like I've finally had my "moment" here at STF; so yeah, thanks
ReplyDeleteThe JSA goes to Camelot?
ReplyDeleteWill the Shining Knight make a guest appearance?
Or maybe even Prince Valiant?
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Very nice. All my favourite characters in one place. Pity about the red in the wrong place on Brian's costume, but Captain Britain being miscoloured is kind of a tradition, since Excalibur.
ReplyDeleteOne thing DC seems to do better than Marvel is bringing us heroes and other characters in and from other time periods. The WWII and Wild West comics, though not really published these days, are a part of DC's lore, and of course there's the Legion of Super-Heroes of the 30th and 31st centuries. That's not even considering time-visitors like Reverse-Flash, Abra Kadabra, and Booster Gold. Meanwhile, I don't think Marvel's done a lot (even as Timely or Atlas) with historical or far-future settings, and the "person from another time" trope is pretty much dominated by the man born Nathaniel Richards.
ReplyDelete(A notable exception to the former is the Agents of A.T.L.A.S.)
To kind of underscore the point, maybe we could get a multi-part epic featuring as many non-DC not-modern-day heroes as can be managed, all manipulated at the hands of the Time Trapper. OK, call that a dare.
I remember a three-part adventure in the early days of the original Marvel Team Up where Spidey was literally caught in the middle of a turf war between Kang the Conqueror and Zarrko the Tomorrow Man! I found that impressively trippy (as a then-seventh grade reader).
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ReplyDeleteMarvel Team-Up also saw Spiderman, having been bitten by a degenerate descendant of the Serpent People, sent back to King Kull's time by Doctor Strange to obtain the antidote for their venom from one of Kull's advisors. It might have been by over-shooting the present day on his return from that trip thatSpidey met -- in two alternative futures -- Deathlok and Killraven.
There was an issue of 'Marvel Two-in-One' in which a flashback showed that Ben Grimm, pre-transformation of course, had been the pilot on at least one WW2 mission by Sgt. Fury & his Howling Commandoes.
There was even an issue in which Doc Savage & his crew (back when Marvel had the right to use those), and the Thing, had separate adventuresin their own times but those were against a father & son respectively who were both mad scientists, and at the culminations of both conflicts the energies being manipulated by both of those scientists gave the heroes a brief glimpse of each other.
The Avengers once went back to the time of Marvel's 'Wild West' heroes and teamed-up with a group of those, long (by the readers' time-scale) before the West Coast Avengersdid so (and the Western heroes remembered Hawkeye from that earlier story). Hawkeye and (IIRC) the Two-gun Kid got on so well with each other that when the Avengers returned to their own time the Kid accepted an invitation to go along and see what the future was like: IIRC [again], the Kid was actually made an honorary member of the Avengers.
And of course there was also the incident when a contest between Kang and the Grandmaster saw three of the Avengers (Yellowjacket, Black Panther, & theVision?) sent back to WW2 where they got into a brawl with Cap, Namor, & the originl Human Torch... which was what led to Roy Thomas later being allowed to create the Invaders as a team.
And of course the version of the 'Guardians of the Galaxy' that Marvel originally published, the ones whose team formed as a resistance group against the conquering Badoon in the 30th century AD, travelled back in time (and between alternative Realities) to the late 20th century on more than one occasion and met a LOT of heroes. They were made honorary members of the Avengers, too.
Oops! The comment above should also have been addressed to Carycomic...
ReplyDeleteAnd I forgot to mention the incident when Kang decided to remove the Avengers as a threat to his plans by ensuring that Bruce Banner's paternal grandfather was killed during WW1 so that there would be no 'Hulk' for the others to team-up againstas theyhad done: He couldn't take his time-machine into the year 1917 [or 1918?] himself, because he hit a time-storm covering that year which was too strong for it and realised that "as 1917 would always be 1917" that problem wouldn't go away, but he realised that the Hulk was tough enough to survive passing through that storm aand liked the irony of sending the Hulk -- with false information -- to arrange events instead... but the Phantom Eagle (without knowing what was going on) managed to keep history on track.
Actually, Spidey's misadventures with Deathlok and Killraven were the result of trying to get back to the future from a four-part adventure in 17th-century Salem, Massachusetts! If memory serves, the participants in that one were the Vision, the Scarlet Witch, Dr. Doom and Moondragon against a mind-controlling extra-dimensional known as the Dark Rider.
ReplyDelete*The mind-controlled party being that infamous real-life "witch hunter" Cotton Mather.
And, yes, this Dark Rider was no relation whatsoever to En Sabah Nur's spin-off of the Four Henchmen.
ReplyDelete@Simreeve: Your examples mainly support what I was saying: Marvel has some decent stories along those lines, but they're specific stories (some quite good, like Marvel 1602) rather than ongoing settings or character backstories.
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ReplyDelete"Actually, Spidey's misadventures with Deathlok and Killraven were the result of trying to get back to the future from a four-part adventure in 17th-century Salem, Massachusetts!"
Thank yu for the clarification. I had remembered about the heroes' visit to Salem, but not who the villains were, and didn't list it as another example above because as I didn't remember them actually meeting any costumred crimefghters from that time itself it seemed not to fit this discussion's basic theme.
@Simreeve: Doom and Moondragon were more like anti-heroic allies of convenience in that Salem story arc.
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