Watching how emotive Spidey's mask was in Spider-Man: Homecoming, I wish something similar had been done with Ultron in the last Avengers film. The design of his face to allow for James Spader's expressions to come through was a letdown for me. I like that the iconic design was used for his robot army, but I wanted to see it on the main villain himself!
These Two first clashed in STF #1747...
"Murderous Malware!" ?
ReplyDeleteIn the Mr. Jupiter-era Seventies, that would probably have been used as a title for a Teen Titans story involving a roboticized Mal Duncan (lol)!
Seriously, though: given that the cinematic Ultron was invented by Tony Stark (rather than Hank Pym), it makes sense that the former might devise himself a visage more humanoid than skull-like.
Even though Cyborg has been around for more then 3 decades, I've been reading comics for so long that I still think of him a one of the "new guys"....
ReplyDeleteSomehow, I just can't warm up to him being a founding member of the Justice League. To me he just doesn't have the iconic status of the true founding members. It may be silly, but that is definitely going to diminish my enjoyment of the upcoming Justice League movie.
#CyborgTitan4Evuh
ReplyDeleteI get that Cyborg was bumped up to the Big League because computers and technology is more of a thing now than science fiction and aliens. But how long before DC wants a New Teen Titans reunion and everything gets put back the way it always was?
Awesome cover!
Cyborg was made a founding member of the Justice League for the sake of diversity. I don't mind Cyborg being a member of the JLA. He was added to Super Friends when I was a kid. I just don't think he should have been a founding member displacing Martian Manhunter. Cyborg works best as the Teen Titan who graduated into the big leagues.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely agree.
DeleteI agree regarding Cyborg but it is obviously one thing they were not willing to fix with the step back from the 52 Universe. Cyborg does not appear to be ever in the Titans in this universe and his father never died. This makes Cyborg closer to later 20's than age of Nightwing and other Titans.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Ultron the head was supposed to look like an ant's head since Pym was Ant-Man. I am not planning on seeing Spiderman since not like direction Marvel Universe is going with Spiderman. Will see on rental. And without seeing movie I am sure Spiderman pulls off his mask in inappropriate time which is something I hate - Secret Identities seem to be something movie universes hate these day and I think it is because actors complain they cannot emote beneath masks and writers are not good enough to write scenes to allow it.
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DeleteHis father was alive when he joined the Titans and died during the Wolfman run, so I can definitely see the events of him being a former Titan being restored.
DeleteWell, MCU Spider-Man is based on his Ultimate Marvel counterpart than his main universe counterpart after all and to be honest, I'm actually glad that Captain America: Civil War wasn't a straightfoward adaptation of Civil War plus your statement that movie universes seem to hate secret identities nowadays is false because that's only the MCU in which most of the heroes have public identities.
If they wanted ethnic diversity in the JLA, why not use John Stewart as the GL?
ReplyDeleteIndeed, that arrangement would be more diverse, because by allowing J'onn J'onzz back in, the JLA would then have two extraterrestrials.
Maybe one of the problems is that we know more about Mars now than we did in 1955 (when J'onn was created), and that it looks nearly impossible now that Mars ever had intelligent life.
Time-Warner probably wants someone who can counterpoint both Iron Man and the Falcon in the Justice League movie. And given what a mega-box office flop the Shaq version of Steel was, the studio bigwigs probably decided that Cyborg was a safer bet for virtually guaranteed bucks.
ReplyDeleteAs for a potential Teen Titans movie? I'd rather see the original Silver Age founders portrayed on the Silver Screen. And if Time-Warner should want profitable ethnic diversity there, too...well, they've already Afro-Americanized Kid Flash on TV! Why wouldn't they extend it to a feature film?
Nah, I'd go with the classic Wolfman era Titans than the original Silver Age era. If not, I'd go with the 2003-2011 era, even if it began after that controversial Graduation Day miniseries.
Delete@Anonymous: Time-Warner would first have to do a Bat-sequel introducing a new version of Robin.* Followed by a Green Arrow flick introducing Roy Harper.
ReplyDelete*Hopefully, _not_ the one "suggested" at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT RiSES!
Actually, I didn't mind Joseph Gordon Levitt's character in TDKR being Robin (only without the costume, obviously).
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ReplyDelete"As for a potential Teen Titans movie? I'd rather see the original Silver Age founders portrayed on the Silver Screen. And if Time-Warner should want profitable ethnic diversity there, too...well, they've already Afro-Americanized Kid Flash on TV! Why wouldn't they extend it to a feature film?"
Or they could simply include Mal (under one or another of his 'heroic' identities) and/or Karen (Bumblebee) from the start...
They should have left Martian Manhunter as a founding of the JLA and Cyborg as a member of the New Teen Titans. Cyborg could have been the oldest Teen Titan and the first to graduate into the JLA. I don't think there's anything wrong with Cyborg being maybe 5 years older than some of the younger Teen Titans. When he turned 21 he got to move up.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Cyborg was more of a Titan than a Leaguer since he was on the former team more often than the latter team.
DeleteMost people associate Cyborg with Teen Titans, especially because of the cartoons. It's silly for the comics not to preserve his history with that team even if he's now with the JLA.
ReplyDeleteI don't think modern audiences would think Martian Manhunter is outdated just because science says there was never intelligent life on Mars. If people can believe men can fly, radioactive spider bites pass in spider bites, all Mythological Gods exist, gamma rays turn people into green monsters, acid baths make clowns, aliens use rings and surfboards as weapons, and all the other comic book science then people can accept that at least in this universe Mars once had intelligent life.
I say, split the difference: make Mal Duncan Kid Flash, right from the start.
ReplyDeleteMaybe as the result of being hit by one of Black Lightning's bio-eletrical bolts!
I think that this whole discussion makes it clear what damage DC has done to their brand by their seemingly endless re-boots. You can't simply undo the past with a wave of the editorial hand. Every story, era and/or character is someone's favorite. DC can claim that Cyborg was never a Titan, but the fans know otherwise.
ReplyDeleteWhy would DC want to deny that Cyborg was a Teen Titan, while there is currently a Teen Titans cartoon airing that shows him as a member. It's simple enough to just say he was a Titan in the past, but now he's in the JLA. It's hard to keep him as a founding member of the JLA unless you say Teen Titans predated the JLA as a team or that he had duel member, maybe even founded the Teen Titans. Both of those are dumb ideas, so just remove him as founding member of JLA.
DeleteDC would probably say that the currently running cartoon occurs in a forgettable, throw-away parallel universe, whereas the current comic book Cyborg is the only one they regard as "canonical." As for being able to deny anything in general? DC was doing that even _before_ screwing things up with COIE! For example:
ReplyDelete"Jor-El and Lara _never_ made it off Krypton after being forced into cryostasis."
"Superboy _never_ met a teenage Bruce Wayne, briefly calling himself 'The Executioner.' "
Etc. etc. etc.
We get it. You don't like COIE but you don't always have to mention it in every comment you make about continuity problems.
DeleteYes, dear boy, I'm afraid I do. Lest the rest forget.
ReplyDeleteIf I were you, I wouldn't even mention it every time you say about continuity problems. Find a better example than that.
DeleteYeah, I really wish the classic Jack O'Lantern look had been a "battle mode" or something. The more expressive version could've been a surprise and so actually effective that way.
ReplyDelete@MH: then, thank God for both of us, you're _not_ me! :P
ReplyDeleteAnd you're not me, either. Next time when you talk about continuity problems at DC, just find a different example than mentioning COIE every time you say about those problems.
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